nocompulsoryvaccination:

This is science – science blogs is myth, belief and pseudo scepticism. The plural of anecdote IS data since that is how research is conducted – you take a whole bunch of anecdotes and from them, you extrapolate an hypothesis first and later, a conclusion. Why don’t these ‘scientists’ get that? They seem to feel that unless they themselves have stated something, it isn’t worth listening to. That isn’t science – that’s just arrogance! Another great blog from CHS.

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As we have recently been examining the science-free zone over at Science Blogs dot Com, here is another howler from the pseudo-science pseudo-skeptics over there.  Science Blogs dot Com is the home of bloggers like Dr David Gorski and P Z Myers [and he is supposed to be a professor of biology – ha!!].

There are hundreds of references on Science Blogs dot Com to the phrase “the plural of anecdote is not data“.  They repeat it like a religious mantra to slap people down when they give examples of numerous personal experiences.

It seems they do not like the fact that what they seem to think is anecdote – namely the oral testimony of human witnesses – is in fact the primary source of evidence in common law jurisdictions around the world.

So what is the real quote?  And why is it relevant?

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  1. Jennifer Power says:

    Also, in the states the guidelines are changing to EXCLUDE children from financial help, educational support and better therapy. Will be interesting to see how the rising rates of autism diagnoses in Australia will affect the guidelines in the future.

  2. Jennifer Power says:

    Can Fiona please share the source for : “The rise in autism has several reasons- more older women having children…” ?

    Thank you.

  3. Jennifer Power says:

    Fiona and friends would also benefit from reading the blog written by TMR (Thinking Moms Revolution). This particular entry is pure gold.

    http://thinkingmomsrevolution.com/if-not-us-who/

  4. Jennifer Power says:

    Here is some reading material for Fiona. More than 1,000 stories of parents’ eyewitness accounts of vaccine-induced injury and death. They can’t all be “flawed observations” no matter how hard Fiona stamps her feet. Included are stories from Australia which represent the tip of the iceberg. An iceberg that is huge.

    http://www.followingvaccinations.com

  5. Fiona owens says:

    You do realise that police actually don’t trust eye witness reports because human memory is very fallible. Yes they do take it into account but they rely more on measurable data like; fingerprints, blood spatter, DNA, crime scene photo’s. and guess what? Scientist do the same thing. Just because 10 parents make the same flawed anecdotal observations does not make that measurable data. The MMR / autism link has been researched because of this and found to be false.
    So again let me explain the correlation does not equal causation theory to you. People are born autistic ( you can not catch it) yes autistic children do appear to reach their normal milestones at first then appear to regress anywhere from 15 months – 3 years old. There is a reason for this a child at this age brain is a firestorm of neuron activity and due to the problems of the spectrom it can cause a variety of pathway faults causing the backsliding parents have noted. Guess when a lot of immunisations are given?? Yes at this time. Hence the so called link.
    Yes it is sad for parents to see their child withdraw from the world. Yes it is hard. But if science was not constantly having to deal with this myth they could be working on finding solutions for treatment, better genetic testing so the wrong people don’t have children like this.

    • Fiona, your assumptions say more about what your beliefs are – regardless of any evidence – then they do about the scientific truth of the question of vaccine safety and effectiveness.

    • Dusty says:

      I would have thought police rely heavily on eye witness accounts when investigating crimes.Especially when there are several independent ones all reporting the same thing.I may be wrong but that just seems like commmon sense to me. Anyways, why would you assume all parents’ observations of their children’s reactions to vaccines are “flawed”? Again if there are many independent reports of similar reactions wouldn’t it be unlikely they were all mistaken?
      Also you said you were going to explain correlation does not equal causation for us ignoramuses (sp?) but your attempt through the autism/ vaccines example is so full of unsubstantiated assumptions that you should not have bothered.
      BTW if you are so sure children are born with autism how does that explain the exponential growth of this condition over the last 20/30 yrs? Would not an environmental rather than a genetic cause make more sense in this case and could it not be multifactorial?

      • Fiona owens says:

        The rise in autism has several reasons- more older women having children, the guidelines for who is on the spectrum are constantly being reevaluated to help provide financial support, education support and better forms of therapy. I also suspect there are other environmental aspects that will be found with more research.

      • I can think of one environmental aspect which is regularly ignored or hushed up. Two, really – vaccination and antibiotics.

    • punter says:

      Yes Dusty, it is common sense and police do rely heavily on it. As do juries. Imagine if we always threw out the testimony of the guy who was robbed at gunpoint. We wouldn’t be able to walk on the streets without getting mugged as criminals could act with impunity. Fiona’s statement is complete nonsense, but she seems to love coming here and making outlandish claims that are obviously wrong.

      Of course they also use fingerprints etc as well, but these things are generally considered circumstantial. In other words they may not lead to as many false positives as eyewitness accounts but, because of their tenuousness, if they were solely used they would result in a lot of false negatives. The point is all things can be taken into account – the independence and credibility of the eyewitnesses; how direct the physical evidence is – and there is no fundamental rule for which piece of evidence has primacy. But even if physical evidence were always given primacy how would that help the pro-vax case? The vaccine crowd don’t have any physical evidence for their ridiculous beliefs anyway, nor logic. All they have are statistics based on data collected from people who have a massive vested interest in vaccines and analysed by people who have a massive vested interest in vaccines and extrapolated by people who have a massive vested interest in vaccines.

      “People are born autistic ( you can not catch it) yes autistic children do appear to reach their normal milestones at first then appear to regress anywhere from 15 months – 3 years old. There is a reason for this a child at this age brain is a firestorm of neuron activity and due to the problems of the spectrom it can cause a variety of pathway faults causing the backsliding parents have noted. Guess when a lot of immunisations are given?? Yes at this time. Hence the so called link.”

      And before we started our vaccination programs, this is also when over 1 in 100 children became autistic right? And your evidence for this is?

      I’m afraid that the desperation underpinning your explanation is extremely transparent.

      “The MMR / autism link has been researched because of this and found to be false.”

      I realise it is a complete waste of time explaining this to you but for the benefit of others, the so called debunking of the link is based on a study that compared kids who got every vaccine bar one vs every vaccine including MMR. The actual figures showed that there was a greater likelihood of autism amongst the latter but the figures were then “adjusted” to make it look like the former group had a higher rate. This group was publicised as “unvaccinated” when they most certainly were not and the lie was perpetuated. Of course there was no shortage of credulous fools who were only too happy to swallow it hook, line and sinker. There were other studies of course but none any better. So called scientists know that if they just come up with enough of this drivel, the credulous would just point in the general direction of the literature and say “Look! The weight of the evidence is on our side”.

      • Fiona owens says:

        And how many innocent people are in jail due to faulty eye witness reports. Or the ones cleared due to physical evidence despite an eye witness assertion that they saw that person do said crime.
        During a violent occasion like robbery or assault, the brain floods with adrenalin ( all part of the fight or flight instinct) and that affects cognition, you get tunnel vision, you loose control of your fine motor skills ( which why a simple task like opening your door when panicking can be difficult) and you have short term memory impairment, and later when trying to give a statement your brain helpfully fills in the blanks. Ask any police officer and they will tell you that 10 witnesses can give you 10 different descriptions. So I repeat yes eye witness reports are used and do help, the police rely on the physical evidence more.

      • Sorry Fiona, when a parent reports their child has reacted to a vaccine, they are almost always told that the shot had nothing to do with the response – no matter how closely related in time the event and the vaccine are. So while what you are saying may work for the police, in practice, it doesn’t work for this issue.

  6. Sil says:

    Thanks for sharing this blog from CHS, Meryl :)

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