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Patrick Stokes – vaccine-risk denialist

A very active and lively discussion has been taking place on the Prime Minister’s Facebook page regarding the No Jab, No Pay law.  I made several posts in response to Dr Patrick Stokes – a Senior Lecturer in Philosophy who supports censorship when it comes to vaccination as evidenced by his article on The Conversation entitled: No, You’re Not Entitled to Your Opinion.

Dr Stokes is an Australian academic who readily admits that he is not an authority on the this issue.  Furthermore, he openly states that he does not WANT to know about the science of vaccination, instead claiming that everyone should defer to doctors and health authorities because they are the only ones capable of understanding the subject. Please read his statement below:

Stokes Defers to Experts

Is the PM Censoring Debate?

Getting back to the Prime Minister’s Facebook page, as I said, I was having a lively debate with Mr Stokes about the issue of vaccination. I prepared a comment in response to his repetition of the fact that he does not know anything about vaccination and does not believe the issue should be publicly debated. When I tried to post my response, however, I got a warning that there was a problem and I should try later. This was yesterday afternoon and I have tried 4 times now and each time, I get the same warning.

Lucy TurnbullSince there are plenty of new comments on this page, including many casting aspersions on my honesty, integrity and intelligence, I can only assume that I have been blocked. Fair go, Malcolm or whoever you have delegated to moderate your page! Are you afraid that your wife’s profits at Prima BioMed (profits that jumped to AUD $5.5 million mere weeks after No Jab No Pay legislation was announced) might be affected if enough people start to question vaccination? Valid fear, that – but is that a reason to silence opponents of government policies? Do we live in a democracy or not, Mr Turnbull? Or are the Australian people no more than cash cows (cash vaccas, the origin of the word ‘vaccination’, appropriately enough?) to you and your government?

Think about it for a minute. NSW Premiere, Barry O’Farrell resigned over the gift of a bottle of wine; then Prime Minister, Paul Keating, scandalised the nation when it was discovered that he had profited from the sale of a piggery to Indonesia whilst undertaking trade negotiations with that country; and former Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd’s wife, Therese Rein, was forced to sell the Australian division of her international employment agency when her husband was elected due to contracts the company had with the Australian Government.

Australia has a long history of holding its elected representatives accountable when there is even a hint of corruption or profiteering – yet the current PM’s wife is Chairman of the Board of a company involved in vaccination and other pharmaceutical pursuits whose value has increased dramatically due – at least on the surface in my own opinion – to policies which her husband has helped push through Parliament. Did Mr Turnbull excuse himself during the debate on No Jab No Pay? Did he tell Parliament that he had a conflict of interest and excuse himself from the vote on this legislation? These are genuine questions – I don’t know the answer and my investigations so far have not been fruitful. Despite the apparent conflict of interest, not a word has been raised about this in the media or by the opposition.

I guess when it comes to vaccination, carte blanche is always given to those who support the procedure and a blind eye will be turned if there is any question of propriety or what is right for the nation.

But I digress.

Before I was unceremoniously booted from the PM’s Facebook page, I had issued a challenge to debate the benefits and risks of vaccination at a public venue. My challenge stands – if anyone from the medical industry, pharma or government believes that they can publicly support vaccine safety and effectiveness, I will gladly meet you in a fair debate with a neutral compere.

For those who would like to see my response to Patrick Stokes, here it is.

@Patrick Stokes – if I have no expertise on this subject (and by your own admission, you are neither qualified nor interested enough to learn about what you discuss when it comes to vaccination), then it should be simple to prove it. Not debating me or anyone else from the pro-information side of the issue is simply a ruse.

And here are just a few recent studies that HAVE been published on the ineffectiveness and risks of vaccination. Maybe you need to get someone more qualified to read them for you and tell you what they say?

BMJ. 2014 Jun 24;348:g3668. doi: 10.1136/bmj.g3668.

Whooping cough in school age children presenting with persistent cough in UK primary care after introduction of the preschool pertussis booster vaccination: prospective cohort study.

Objective To estimate the prevalence and clinical severity of whooping cough (pertussis) in school age children presenting with persistent cough in primary care since the introduction and implementation of the preschool pertussis booster vaccination.

Design Prospective cohort study (November 2010 to December 2012).

Setting General practices in Thames Valley, UK.

Participants 279 children aged 5 to 15 years who presented in primary care with a persistent cough of two to eight weeks’ duration. Exclusion criteria were cough likely to be caused by a serious underlying medical condition, known immunodeficiency or immunocompromise, participation in another clinical research study, and preschool pertussis booster vaccination received less than one year previously.

Main outcome measures Evidence of recent pertussis infection based on an oral fluid anti-pertussis toxin IgG titre of at least 70 arbitrary units. Cough frequency was measured in six children with laboratory confirmed pertussis.

Results 56 (20%, 95% confidence interval 16% to 25%) children had evidence of recent pertussis infection, including 39 (18%, 13% to 24%) of 215 children who had been fully vaccinated. The risk of pertussis was more than three times higher (21/53; 40%, 26% to 54%) in children who had received the preschool pertussis booster vaccination seven years or more previously than in those who had received it less than seven years previously (20/171; 12%, 7% to 17%). The risk of pertussis was similar between children who received five and three component preschool pertussis booster vaccines (risk ratio for five component vaccine 1.14, 0.64 to 2.03). Four of six children in whom cough frequency was measured coughed more than 400 times in 24 hours.

Conclusions Pertussis can still be found in a fifth of school age children who present in primary care with persistent cough and can cause clinically significant cough in fully vaccinated children. These findings will help to inform consideration of the need for an adolescent pertussis booster vaccination in the United Kingdom.

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Clin Infect Dis. (2012) doi: 10.1093/cid/cis287

Unexpectedly Limited Durability of Immunity Following Acellular Pertussis Vaccination in Pre-Adolescents in a North American Outbreak

Results We identified 171 cases of clinical pertussis; 132 in pediatric patients. There was a notable increase in cases in patients aged 8-12. The rate of testing peaked in infants, but remained relatively constant until age 12. The rate of positive tests was low for ages zero to six, and increased in preadolescents, peaking at age 12. Vaccination rates of PCR positive preadolescents were approximately equal to that of controls. Vaccine Effectiveness was 41%, 24%, 79%, for ages 2-7, 8-12, 13-18, respectively.

Conclusions Our data suggests that the current schedule of acellular pertussis vaccine doses is insufficient to prevent outbreaks of pertussis. We noted a markedly increased rate of disease from age 8 through 12, proportionate to the interval since the last scheduled vaccine. Stable rates of testing ruled out selection bias. The possibility of earlier or more numerous booster doses of acellular pertussis vaccine either as part of routine immunization or for outbreak control should be entertained.

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This is not a peer-reviewed study, but it speaks to the fact that drug companies control the information governments rely upon to make policy decisions. It is written in plain English.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/lawrence-solomon/merck-whistleblowers_b_5881914.html

Merck Has Some Explaining To Do Over Its MMR Vaccine Claims

Merck, the pharmaceutical giant, is facing a slew of controversies over its Measles-Mumps-Rubella (MMR) vaccine following numerous allegations of wrongdoing from different parties in the medical field, including two former Merck scientists-turned-whistleblowers. A third whistleblower, this one a scientist at the Centers for Disease Control, also promises to bring Merck grief following his confession of misconduct involving the same MMR vaccine.

The controversies will find Merck defending itself and its vaccine in at least two federal court cases after a U.S. District judge earlier this month threw out Merck’s attempts at dismissal. Merck now faces federal charges of fraud from the whistleblowers, a vaccine competitor and doctors in New Jersey and New York. Merck could also need to defend itself in Congress: The staff of representative Bill Posey (R-Fla) — a longstanding critic of the CDC interested in an alleged link between vaccines and autism — is now reviewing some 1,000 documents that the CDC whistleblower turned over to them.

The first court case, United States v. Merck & Co., stems from claims by two former Merck scientists that Merck “fraudulently misled the government and omitted, concealed, and adulterated material information regarding the efficacy of its mumps vaccine in violation of the FCA [False Claims Act].”

According to the whistleblowers’ court documents, Merck’s misconduct was far-ranging: It “failed to disclose that its mumps vaccine was not as effective as Merck represented, (ii) used improper testing techniques, (iii) manipulated testing methodology, (iv) abandoned undesirable test results, (v) falsified test data, (vi) failed to adequately investigate and report the diminished efficacy of its mumps vaccine, (vii) falsely verified that each manufacturing lot of mumps vaccine would be as effective as identified in the labeling, (viii) falsely certified the accuracy of applications filed with the FDA, (ix) falsely certified compliance with the terms of the CDC purchase contract, (x) engaged in the fraud and concealment describe herein for the purpose of illegally monopolizing the U.S. market for mumps vaccine, (xi) mislabeled, misbranded, and falsely certified its mumps vaccine, and (xii) engaged in the other acts described herein to conceal the diminished efficacy of the vaccine the government was purchasing.” (Click the above link to read the rest of this article).

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And here, a release from that rabidly anti-vaccine body, the American College of Pediatrics:

http://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/health-issues/new-concerns-about-the-human-papillomavirus-vaccine

New Concerns about the Human Papillomavirus Vaccine

American College of Pediatricians – January 2016

The American College of Pediatricians (The College) is committed to the health and well-being of children, including prevention of disease by vaccines. It has recently come to the attention of the College that one of the recommended vaccines could possibly be associated with the very rare but serious condition of premature ovarian failure (POF), also known as premature menopause. There have been two case report series (3 cases each) published since 2013 in which post-menarcheal adolescent girls developed laboratory documented POF within weeks to several years of receiving Gardasil, a four-strain human papillomavirus vaccine (HPV4).1,2 Adverse events that occur after vaccines are frequently not caused by the vaccine and there has not been a noticeable rise in POF cases in the last 9 years since HPV4 vaccine has been widely used.

Nevertheless there are legitimate concerns that should be addressed: (1) long-term ovarian function was not assessed in either the original rat safety studies3,4 or in the human vaccine trials, (2) most primary care physicians are probably unaware of a possible association between HPV4 and POF and may not consider reporting POF cases or prolonged amenorrhea (missing menstrual periods) to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), (3) potential mechanisms of action have been postulated based on autoimmune associations with the aluminum adjuvant used1 and previously documented ovarian toxicity in rats from another component, polysorbate 80,2 and (4) since licensure of Gardasil® in 2006, there have been about 213 VAERS reports (per the publicly available CDC WONDER VAERS database) involving amenorrhea, POF or premature menopause, 88% of which have been associated with Gardasil®.5 The two-strain HPV2, CervarixTM, was licensed late in 2009 and accounts for 4.7 % of VAERS amenorrhea reports since 2006, and 8.5% of those reports from February 2010 through May 2015. This compares to the pre-HPV vaccine period from 1990 to 2006 during which no cases of POF or premature menopause and 32 cases of amenorrhea were reported to VAERS.

Many adolescent females are vaccinated with influenza, meningococcal, and tetanus vaccines without getting Gardasil®, and yet only 5.6% of reports related to ovarian dysfunction since 2006 are associated with such vaccines in the absence of simultaneous Gardasil® administration. The overwhelming majority (76%) of VAERS reports since 2006 with ovarian failure, premature menopause, and/or amenorrhea are associated solely with Gardasil®. When VAERS reports since 2006 are restricted to cases in which amenorrhea occurred for at least 4 months and is not associated with other known causes like polycystic ovary syndrome or pregnancy, 86/89 cases are associated with Gardasil®, 3/89 with CervarixTM, and 0/89 with other vaccines administered independently of an HPV vaccine.5 Using the same criteria, there are only 7 reports of amenorrhea from 1990 through 2005 and no more than 2 of those associated with any one vaccine type.

Few other vaccines besides Gardasil® that are administered in adolescence contain polysorbate 80.6 Pre-licensure safety trials for Gardasil® used placebo that contained polysorbate 80 as well as aluminum adjuvant.2,7 Therefore, if such ingredients could cause ovarian dysfunction, an increase in amenorrhea probably would not have been detected in the placebo controlled trials. Furthermore, a large number of girls in the original trials were taking hormonal contraceptives which can mask ovarian dysfunction including amenorrhea and ovarian failure.2 Thus a causal relationship between human papillomavirus vaccines (if not Gardasil® specifically) and ovarian dysfunction cannot be ruled out at this time.

Numerous Gardasil safety studies, including one released recently,8 have looked at demyelinating and autoimmune diseases and have not found any significant problems. Unfortunately, none of them except clinical safety pre-licensure studies totaling 11,778 vaccinees9 specifically addressed post-vaccination ovarian dysfunction. While data from those studies do not indicate an increased rate of amenorrhea after vaccination, the essential lack of saline placebos and the majority of participants taking hormonal contraceptives in those studies preclude meaningful data to rule out an effect on ovarian function.

A Vaccine Safety Datalink POF study is planned to address an association between these vaccines and POF, but it may be years before results will be determined. Plus, POF within a few years of vaccination could be the tip of the iceberg since ovarian dysfunction manifested by months of amenorrhea may later progress to POF. Meanwhile, the author of this statement has contacted the maker of Gardasil, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to make known the above concerns and request that (1) more rat studies be done to look at long-term ovarian function after HPV4 injections, (2) the 89 VAERS reports identified with at least 4 months amenorrhea be reviewed by the CDC for further clarification since the publicly available WONDER VAERS database only contains initial reports, and (3) primary care providers be notified of a possible association between HPV and amenorrhea. A U.S. Government Representative responded that they “will continue to conduct studies and monitor the safety of HPV vaccines. Should the weight of the evidence from VAERS or VSD and other sources indicate a likely causal association between POF and HPV vaccines, appropriate action will be taken in terms of communication and public health response.”

The College is posting this statement so that individuals considering the use of human papillomavirus vaccines could be made aware of these concerns pending further action by the regulatory agencies and manufacturers. While there is no strong evidence of a causal relationship between HPV4 and ovarian dysfunction, this information should be public knowledge for physicians and patients considering these vaccines.

Primary author: Scott S. Field, MD

January 2016

The American College of Pediatricians is a national medical association of licensed physicians and healthcare professionals who specialize in the care of infants, children, and adolescents. The mission of the College is to enable all children to reach their optimal, physical and emotional health and well-being.

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This handful of studies represents but the tip of the vaccine iceberg, but hopefully you get the idea, Patrick. You say that nothing has been published on the risks and ineffectiveness of vaccines. I say you are wrong and I’ve proved it. Will the fact that I’ve provided you with evidence to back up my claims make you look again at this issue? I doubt it. You are a true believer and your ‘religion’ leaves no room for questioning. You function on faith – not knowledge, evidence or information. I feel sorry for you, but those I feel the sorriest for are your students.

by Meryl Dorey

Please note: Blog posts are opinion pieces which represent the views of the authors. They do not necessarily represent the viewpoints of the nocompulsoryvaccination blog. This blog is a forum, support and information site and outlet for discussion about the relative benefits and risks of vaccinations in particular – and medical procedures in general. We do not provide medical advice but believe that everyone has the opportunity and the obligation to do their own research before making decisions for their families. The information we provide (including your personal review of the references we cite) should be taken in conjunction with a range of other data, including that obtained from government, your health care provider and/or other medical source material to assist you in developing the knowledge required to make informed health choices.

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13 Comments

  1. I am highly concerned that Patrick Stokes clearly states that he does not research by reading before forming an opinion on what parents should do in regard to their children’s vaccination schedule – and publicly stating it as if this opinion is based on any consideration of the welfare of those who are to be vaccinated. Is this how he would treat his own child? Simply blindly follow the dictates of governments, vaccine manufacturers and GP’s who have been promoted to by sales teams? Is Patrick Stokes aware of how small the focus on vaccines and immunity study is whilst in medical training? Or would that have been too much to read?

    Is Patrick Stokes also aware of the charges against the CDC for multiple fraudulent actions that if found to be so, would mislead medical professionals and that these charges are presently being heard in court? I find it difficult to comprehend why a person who admits that he does no reading of research papers believes that he is capable of making a credible statement about who should do what with their family’s health. Stating to simply blindly follow the recommendations of medical professionals, with the additional claims that patients cannot possibly understand research papers, is not only erroneous, but not safe.

    This is the 21st century and the majority of patients are sufficiently educated to comprehend the potential risks and benefits of medical procedures. A large majority can also comprehend research papers. The GP and patient relationship is now considered to be a collaborative one – the unquestioningly obedient patient has not been part of the Australian social landscape for many decades now – and is unlikely to return despite efforts to enforce that it does so.

    It is long past the time when medical ‘authorities’ can expect to not be questioned, to not explain clearly and not to provide sufficient information that the patient can make a free and informed choice for any medical procedure. In fact, those conditions are precisely what is stated in the medical ethics articles and mandatory professional behaviour. Anything less that leads a patient to have a medical procedure must be considered to transgress medical ethics.

      1. One of the realities inflicted upon the majority, are decisions too often made under the influence of parties with vested interests. It doesn’t only apply to vaccinations and I’m in support of parental choice based upon information (not necessarily medical “science”). Many decisions are made by politicians, government agencies, the Church, the law, the list is endless, based upon misinformation or no information. It’s not only people who have a public voice who speak out the loudest. Minority groups always seem to have a louder voice than majority groups. We’ve lost control as parents, grandparents, citizens and are dictated to by what benefits the majority voice. A parent who ends up with a disabled child has no recourse to science because to them its just a statistic, cast aside as anecdotal evidence of what’s staring us all in the face.

  2. Pity the character at the top doesn’t realise the possibility of money and vested interests undermining quality of information, I guess that’s what happens when you sit in a philosophy department.

    I notice you once put your faith in the Greens, scrolling down a while back. I’d say they just see us in the same class as ‘climate change deniers’. They’re all about using the power of the state to push people around and control them, as the Left does, suckering in the useful idiots. And on ideological consistency, forget about that. If the Greens are pro environment, why are they also pro immigration, bringing masses of people from low emissions per capita countries to a first world country – the two agendas are at odds (you’d think they’d be isolationists if they cared about trees). Same as Labor, aren’t they supposed to be for the Australian working class, then why are their top donors Chinese property developers (reported in the newspapers last year)? There are quotes by Labor figures in the 80s that ‘Asianisation’ should not be debated, and that a new mixed race will emerge, that will be good for long term business between Asia and Australia. Whatever you may think of these statements, you’d at least expect them to be made by the pro business Liberals, not Labor. So the statements and positions of political parties are incongruent with what would logically make sense, and once you look further, the Left / Right dichotomy is not of much use either, the paradigm is really the people, as a nation, be they wage earners or small business owners, versus an international hostile elite (Big Pharma, banking, debt slavery, war, etc).

    1. Whilst I agree with your characterisation of today’s Greens, as evidenced by that corporate tool who leads the party, the Greens of 15 or 20 years ago were another kettle of fish altogether. Bob Brown was a man of convictions and integrity who, even though he was a medical doctor himself, was not afraid to question the status quo.

  3. Imagine being proud of your obsequiousness. One can only imagine the sort of traumatic childhood that would presumably be necessary to lead to such a characteristic.

  4. Unlike Patrick Stokes parents who query the wisdom of inflicting multiple vaccines on their children, have thoroughly researched each vaccine combination and its side effects, and have made an informed choice not to impose them upon the immune systems of their offspring for very valid reasons. They are aware of the power Big Pharma wields over GPs, Pardiatricians and Governments; they appreciate money is behind today’s multiple vaccination policy.

    As an octogenarian I have witnessed the decline in the health of our collective children over generations; very few families are now free of the taint of a child on the autism spectrum, in addition to those who suffer from asthma, eczema, diabetes, cancers etc. The more vaccines children have the more “dis-eases” they experience. It is a wise parent who takes the time to study the history of vaccines, and to follow this up with current research now readily available, and ask themselves the question “do the risks outweigh the benefits or do the benefits outweigh the risks”?

    “…. but when natures coat of mail, the skin, is violated and the drug inserted beneath the skin, nature’s line of defence is taken in the rear, and rarely can anything be done to hinder or prevent the action of the drug no matter how injurious, even fatal, it may be. All the physicians in the world are incompetent either to forsee it’s action or to hinder it…” R.B.Pearson.

    1. I keep thinking about Patrick Stokes and his merry reliance on appeals to authority. He holds a doctorate – that means he has spent a lot of time doing research – he knows what is involved.

      He was a student for many years and has taught for quite a few as well so he know that the knowledge we hold today has been the result of constant investigation, questioning and study. He would also be perfectly well aware that today’s knowledge can and most probably will be overturned and replaced with other data tomorrow.

      Despite this background, he openly states that he doesn’t have any expertise on the vaccination issue yet he has no problem saying that those whose study has indicated a different result to those whose word he believes implicitly are wrong – without his opinion being informed by any facts. Because? Is he not aware of the tens of billions of dollars paid out by Big Pharma over just the last 5 years due to serious fraud committed by them, leading to the deaths of many tens of thousands of people; doesn’t he know that mainstream medicine is now the number 1 cause of death in the US and number 3 in Australia? Is he completely ignorant of the number of drugs that are withdrawn every year because their safety or effectiveness data have been overstated by the manufacturers? I can go on, but I won’t.

      He is not basing his determination on any proof, evidence or information. The only thing I can put this down to is a faith-based belief that science as practiced by Western medical practitioners – not to be confused in any way with real science – is infallible and therefore, questioning it is akin to heresy.

      When we see apparently intelligent people behaving in such an outrageously ignorant manner, I am left wondering if he was either. (a) – passed through his education by accident – something I really doubt; or b – he is somehow profiting from his public protestations against the free exchange of ideas on this supposedly scientific issue.

      I don’t know if either or both of these conjectures is correct, but honestly, it is beyond me how someone who is supposedly so well-educated in philosophy can be so grossly and intentionally ignorant and yet, can expect anyone to take his uninformed opinion seriously.

  5. The Whooping cough story in Australia is amazing – if only the general public knew that in 2012 in Australia we had 38,000 cases of whooping cough- the greatest actual number in the world by far,yet we have one of the highest Whooping cough vaccination rates in the world of 95%- what happened to herd immunity?

    1. Whooping cough now is a vaccine disease today and chicken pox and shingles Vaccines are going to cause a flesh eating disease in my opinion Sadly I am not wrong about my Prophecy or in Tropical climates ool yuck it is bad.

      Flu shots are going to be worse in 2017, old running out of date or the new flue shot.
      Take care all and God Bless as we are going to face judgement.

  6. Great information – and in the comments as well. Thank you for continuing to expose the insanity, corruption and ignorance behind vaccination policy.

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