‘Anti Vaxxer’ the new dirty word?


The author of this guest-blog has asked to remain anonymous due to her fear of being targeted by the Australian Skeptics and Stop the AVN. She is the parent of vaccine-damaged children – some of whom are on the autistic spectrum. She found Peter Bowditch’s assaults against families of vaccine-injured children to be incredibly disturbing. As a result, she chose to write about her fears regarding where society is headed when parents who love and cherish their children can be abused because of their health choices. If you agree that nobody has the right to treat another individual in this way, please make a supportive comment on this blog page. It doesn’t matter whether you are pro-vaccine, anti-vaccine or somewhere in the middle – any decent human being would have to accept that harassment, abuse and discrimination are never justified. Oppose Peter Bowditch and the incredibly vile comments of those who support him by speaking up for the right to make our own choices on this and all health issues. If you are on Twitter, please use the hashtag #DumpBowditch on your tweets to encourage Mia Freedman of Mamamia and other venues where this man publishes his hate-speech to no longer allow him an opportunity for abuse. Feel free to drop them a line as well, telling them how you feel about this issue.

Our history is full of people using terms to incite hostility, fear and resentment against other groups, and now is the age of the ‘Anti Vaxxer’ – the title given to people who question the safety and in some cases the necessity of vaccinations.

If you look in the newspapers or on the internet, you will see that people who question vaccine safety are ridiculed, condemned and discriminated against on quite a regular basis.  You might think, “Surely this behaviour is not promoted by supposedly intelligent, rational beings in this day and age?”, but unfortunately you would be wrong.

Just look at this list of recent quotes from newspapers such as the Daily Telegraph and blogs and articles from around the world…

“Parents who dodge vaccinating their kids are pocketing thousands of dollars”[1]

“…babies die because of the antivaccination movement.”[2]

“Bill Gates Says Anti-Vaccine Autism Groups “Kill Children” — And He’s Right”[3]

“NSW paediatrician Dr Chris Ingall added this: “We’re appalled at how many kids are getting whooping cough because the chardonnay set and the alternatives don’t vaccinate their children.”[4]

When did raising your child with love, respect, a healthy diet, plenty of fresh air, sunshine and exercise, while limiting their exposure to toxins become a crime?

If you listen to what these people are saying, anyone who does not vaccinate their child is a money grabbing, disease causing, child killer.

So who are these supposed child killers’?

Many are parents who have vaccine injured/killed children; some are educated and health-conscious individuals who want a more natural approach to good health; and some are alternative practitioners, doctors or scientists. Do any of these groups sound like child killers to you? What they all have in common is something that most of us take for granted: the belief that everyone deserves the right to decide what the best health choices are for themselves and their families

I find the hostile attitude towards parents of vaccine injured children particularly astounding, as parents of children that have been killed or disabled have always been treated with an outpouring of compassion, understanding and empathy. If the death or injury have been caused by a vaccine however, they are somehow no longer worthy of these basic human emotions.

Instead, we get open hostility and contempt as seen in the case of Peter Bowditch who asks vaccine-injured parents if they get sexual pleasure from seeing dead babies!

And how does our society respond to a man who can say such vile things?  Well, apparently it is no big deal, as he still continues to write articles for the popular women’s and children’s website Mamamia!  Is this the kind of individual who should be writing about women and children’s health?

Another very disturbing aspect to come out of this portrayal of ‘anti vaxxers’ is that the media, government and medical vaccine advocates are working together in promoting an ‘us’ versus ‘them’ mentality. These groups are actively condoning discrimination and in turn, persecution of the Australian Vaccination Network, it’s founder Meryl Dorey and anyone associated with them.  Is this what our true Aussie spirit is about now?  Be there for your mate but only if he vaccinates.


1. To oppress or harass with ill-treatment, especially because of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or beliefs.

2. To annoy persistently; bother.


1. (Sociology) unfair treatment of a person, racial group, minority, etc.; action based on prejudice


a. A racial, religious, political, national, or other group thought to be different from the larger group of which it is part.

b. A group having little power or representation relative to other groups within a society.

We as a society believe that discrimination, harassment and persecution against minorities or any law-abiding citizen is unconscionable. Now however, it seems that it is acceptable if the minority or individual in question does not vaccinate to a government approved schedule.

What these harassers of ‘anti-vaxxers’ do not realise (or maybe they do) is that they are laying the foundation for persecution and repression of people that are just trying to raise their families in the healthiest way possible.

The path to repression begins with many small steps. It starts with the gradual wearing away of someone else’s rights through restriction of employment, public education, and government entitlements. Then comes ostracism whilst creating fear, hostility and resentment towards the group in question from the rest of society.  Not too soon after that, segregation comes in to the mix.

You may think that this is an unlikely scenario, but I cannot tell you how many times everyday mums and dads have told me to keep my children out of schools with vaccinated children; to stay out of public places where vaccinated people may be exposed to our disease-causing germs; some have even wished that all people who don’t vaccinate could be murdered or expressed a wish for their children to die from disease!

Countless times in history we have seen that ugliness in human nature breeds more ugliness.  Intolerance, discrimination, persecution, repression are all formed through fear and hatred.  Have we learned nothing from the past, or are we just so insecure that we always have to look for someone to oppress in order to make ourselves feel powerful and dominant?

If this type of hostility continues towards people who just want the right to make choices for their own families, what do we have to look forward to in the future?






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72 Responses to ‘Anti Vaxxer’ the new dirty word?

  1. Joe Harris says:

    I can spell,really I can it’s just when I get in a hurry I make some mistakes. The first part of my post should read this way.

    A Japanese study found, that Methyl & ethyl Mercury should be considered equal in Toxicity. But since it took only half as much, to do the same damage. Ethyl-mercury
    could be twice as toxic.

    • Joe – I’m so sorry for what your son and your family have gone through because of vaccines. I strongly believe that there will be justice for our children one day – we just need to keep working together to raise awareness until then.

  2. CrystalsCuredSmallpox says:

    I’d like to conduct an experiment that should conclusively prove that vaccination doesn’t work and in fact harms our children. Two childcare groups will be created – one each for vaccinated and unvaccinated infants. Both groups will then have Polio and Pertussis (Whooping Cough) introduced to each child – parents will not be permitted to keep their child home following this, they must remain with the group for the month of the experiment.

    At the end of this month i think that vaccination will be clearly shown for the scam that it is.

    do i have anyone willing to volunteer their children?

    • Why ask for children to do this? Why don’t you agree to take an adult-dosage of all childhood vaccines – one that has been adjusted to your weight. And then, show us how healthy you will be? How about it – put your money where your mouth is or perhaps your health where you mouth is might be more appropriate.

      • Martin says:

        I and several others have accepted this challenge.

        Strangles Meryl hasn’t set it up yet. In fact she hasn’t even defined the protocols under which it would be run.

        Still waiting.

      • Greg Beattie says:

        Hi Martin

        I take it you’re wanting to take a weight adjusted dose of the baby vaccines to display your faith in their safety. What do you want Meryl to organise? She’s already offered to pay for the vaccines. All you have to do, if you’re serious, is just do it.

        A date and a place would be nice so we can observe. Otherwise no one will believe you. In fact we’ll invite the media with your permission. Let us know.

        I know theoretically you will have to show up for the 2-month shots then the 4-month and so on, but see how you feel after the at-birth dose of hep-B. If you want you can then give us a date 2 months on for the next lot.

    • Sue says:

      Why would you think that exposing children to deadly diseases is ok when there are already plenty of studies proving that vaccinations do in fact work? Do some research. Go and look up the stats for childhood deaths BEFORE vaccinations.

      For instance before the measles vaccine in 1963 around 400 to 500 people died of the disease every year. Also, unvaccinated babies DO still die of whooping cough. They catch it from adults or others who should have been vaccinated but haven’t. My friend’s baby died of whooping cough. It was so horrible for her to watch her baby struggling to breathe and turning blue after coughing fits. Her baby was too young to recieve a vaccination that would have saved her life. Not vaccinating kills children!

      • Sue, again, your comments are not only ignorant, they are untruthful. The average number of deaths in Australia before the introduction of the measles vaccine according to the Health Department and Bureau of Statistics was an average of 1 death every 5 years. And the vaccine was introduced in 1970 in Australia – 1963 in the US. And there were nowhere near 400-500 deaths in the US before the vaccine was introduced. So please, YOU read the studies and the stats because it is obvious that you have no idea.

        Measles Australia-vaccine introduced 1970

        Whooping cough-if the graph were extended, we'd see a huge increase despite increased vaccination

  3. KGB says:

    I agree whole-heartedly with this post. I am a “Conscientious objector”

    Vaccines are a “choice” they are not 100% effective nor should they be called “Immunisation”

    This was my question to Peter McIntyre (Director of the National Centre for Immunisation Research and Surveillance of Vaccine Preventable Diseases , and a Senior Staff Specialist in Infectious Diseases at the Kids Research Institute.) on 60 minutes:

    “why is it called immunisation if the vaccine does not actually make you ‘immune’ to the disease? I know many children who are fully vax and still caught whooping cough, a milder version perhaps but thats not the issue – shouldnt they be “immune”

    Peter McIntyre “Yes, well the important thing about the vaccine is that it does provide immunisation and protection. This protection may not be perfect, so that it is true that child can get a milder version of whooping cough even after being fully vaccinated, but I think you would agree that the important thing to do is protecting them against very severe whooping cough that results in going to hospital. The vaccine does that very well, but it just doesn’t currently protect against milder whooping cough. We are hoping we will have better vaccines in the future.”

    We’re all trying to do what is best for our babies, whether you vax or not – the intention is for your child to be healthy and protected.

    On one hand the parent is relying on a man-made concoction created by medical scientists to improve immunity to a particular disease, along with good nutrition etc

    On other hand the parent is relying on natural immunity also by good nutrition, feeding their child usually whole-foods, organic, GMO free etc to help improve immune system to be able to recover quickly should the child come in contact with any disease.

    Healthy? whats healthy about the kids these days who are constantly sick with runny noses, coughs, asthma, eczema, autism, seizures, ear infections, bowel issues, the lost goes on and on,..and this is from people I know and seen their children with my own eyes. This is typical of any daycare, and majority have a vaccine policy no most kids are vaccinated.

    Some of the most healthiest kids i know, including my own are all non-vaxxed, nothing more that a runny nose. Parents just dont understand what they are doing wrong, and its not their fault – the last thing that usually comes to mind is the “schedule” as it is part of the norm. Yet I dont judge their decision, and I would expect the same respect in my decision not to vax.

    the biggest reason there is “fear” with the vaxxers is this “herd immunity” BS…common sense people – if you truly believe your child is “IMMUNE” then there is nothing to worry about. The non-vax kid will get sick and once back to health with have natural immunity. The illness can just as easily be passed on from vax to vax from adult to vax…the non-vax should not get the blame for an outbreak if vaccines work. Fullstop.

    Look at the big picture everyone, chronic illnesses in our kids are on the uprise, we are more educated than ever before, we have the best access to the best food in the world, organic, fresh produce – yet our kids are sicker than ever – and the medical world cannot explain this.

    I CANNOT turn a blind eye to what I see, hear, feel – my baby comes first and I feel I am doing the BEST that I can do to protect them and keep them healthy.

    • Bluey says:

      I have no problem with people who want to make their own choice. However it amazes me how people can abandon and even ridicule the results of real science in favour of pseudoscience. I find that attitude smacks of ignorance and it is common place on this website. The evidence in support of herd immunity is fact not BS. It is supported by clear scientific evidence.
      If herd immunity does break down because of increasing influence from anti immunisation groups such as this, those responsible may need very deep pockets to fend off the hordes of lawyers heading their way. My friendly warning is this: Have whatever opinion you like but be very careful of who and how you influence others with your unprofessional and scientifically unsupported arguments.

      • Bluey, I have no problem with people who want to make their own choice – in fact, that is what the AVN is all about. I do have a big problem however with people who want to prevent others from exercising that same right. It amazes me how people can abandon their common sense and their compassion and even ridicule the experience of others. It also amazes me how people who call themselves sceptics will support and uphold medical procedures without the least bit of evidence that they work or are effective, simply because those they consider to be ‘authorities’ tell them to do so. I find that attitude smacks of ignorance and it is commonplace on websites maintained by those so-called skeptics.

        There is no evidence to support herd immunity. It is indeed bullshit. it is obviously so since no vaccine can convey true immunity and only true immunity can provide herd immunity.

        If those who question vaccination can break down herd immunity which is a fairy tale – nothing more – then those who are vaccinated should still be protected. If they are not protected, then the vaccines aren’t working.

        As for your word of warning, you have a care yourself. I am entitled to my opinion just as you are entitled to yours. But contrary to you, I don’t expect or ask anyone to make decisions based on the information provided on this website. This information is part of a package that people should examine prior to making their own informed choices.

        You on the other hand are purposely telling others what they should and should not do and have provided no evidence to back up your medical advice. I’d be careful with that if I were you. Just a word to the wise, bluey.

      • Bluey says:

        Wow! So there is no evidence that vaccines work. None what so ever! I guess we scientists just don’t understand the scientific method. I don’t know, but the scientific principles I’ve used countless times to investigate a problem just don’t work so well when applied to diseases that we vaccinate against. Those very same principles work just fine for other applications though just not vaccinated diseases. The great drop in the number of diseases we now vaccinate against must be some sort of amazing coincidence.
        I’m not telling anyone what they should be doing. We do after all live in a democracy and we are all entitled to our opinions. All I say is you should give more credit to science rather than the pseudoscience that is being peddled on this website. But, hey who am I to preach, if you think there is some government conspiracy going on to control the masses with immunisation then maybe immunisation is not for you. If you think the moon landings were faked then immunisation may not be for you.
        I have no doubt that all the people on this site have at leadt one thing in common and that is they all love their kids and only want the best for them. So whatever choice you make you better be prepared to live with it.

      • Stop appealing to authority Bluey. Nobody cares if you’re a scientist or not – except for those of us who might feel that scientists, by their training, are incapable of questioning what they were taught.

        If you want me to respect what you have to say, let’s leave your ‘qualifications’ to the side and start dealing with the issues.

        Two questions for you to answer:

        1- Do you believe the mantra that vaccinations save lives?

        2- If the answer to question 1 is yes, where is your evidence?

    • Sue says:

      Isn’t it better that vaccinated children are only catching a mild version of whooping cough compared to the unvaccinated children/babies who catch it and die?

      • Sue, why are you assuming that vaccinated children and adults get milder forms of whooping cough than the unvaccinated? I have heard this idea mooted but never referenced to any study. Can you provide a reference? To my mind, this statement is yet another excuse for why we have more whooping cough now per capita then we did before mass vaccination. The vaccine isn’t working – it doesn’t prevent the disease, but medicine has staked its reputation on it doing SOMETHING so let’s just claim it makes the symptoms less. Not good science. Very good propaganda.

  4. Bluey says:

    The arguments made against immunisation make no sense to me at all. Your claims carry no weight what so ever as they are not based on any scientifically credible evidence. What’s worse is that at no time do any of you cite any real evidence to back up your claims. For instance, can you cite any studies that show that vaccines cause autism? The answer I can tell you now is: No you can’t. This is because all credible studies carried out show at worst no differences between the levels of autism in both immunised and non immunised groups. So why persist with such claims? The answer is you need such unjustified claims because it suits your agenda.
    I feel that it is very irresponsible of you people to publicise any claims without first making it clear to your uninformed and concerned readers that your emotive arguments have no scientific or medical basis. After all, there will be many who will visit your site and make possibly life changing decisions for their loved one based on what you say. All this from information that is presented as fact. The documented evidence of the success of vaccines in controlling deadly diseases is plain to see and in the public domain. Rest assured, that a return to the days before vaccines would lead to many needless deaths in both children and adults alike.
    The levels of heavy metals we injest from the environment throughout our lives is much higher than what we get from a few jabs or swallows of vaccine.
    If you want the scientific or medical community to take you seriously you need to start backing up your claims with scientifically proven facts. Otherwise, the increase in new cases of deadly diseases that have until recently been irradicated will continue to strike down the most vulnerable.

    • Bluey – you say that our claims carry no weight because they are not based on scientifically credible evidence. That’s a pretty big claim. Could you please be more specific? It seems that many people come here and make the same claims about what our information is based on yet when I ask them to give specific evidence that something we have said here is incorrect according to research, they never respond. Well, you may as well say – I don’t agree with what you are saying and therefore, you’re wrong because unless you can tell us what is not right, you might as well not say anything at all.

      One other thing – if you can’t tell the difference between injecting and ingesting a substance, next time you’re hungry, take your meal, put it into a blender, blend until smooth (you may need to add a bit of water to increase the fluidity), put into a syringe and inject. You will know the difference within a matter of moments.

      • Bluey says:

        That is correct. Your claims do not carry any weight as you provide no credible evidence to support them. As expected, you people place the onus on us to prove our claims that vaccines are safe but when the shoe is placed on the other foot you refuse to respond in kind.
        Alright then, one of your biggest claims about vaccines is the link to autism. There have been more than 40 peer reviewed papers that have shown no link what so ever between vaccines and autism yet you still claim there is one. Either, the entire scientific community doesn’t have a clue about how to investigate this in a valid way or your claims are false. After all when the rates of autism are very similar in groups that are both vaccinated and not vaccinated then how is a link established? These are questions you need to answer by following the scientific method because that is the only way your claims can gain any validity or reliability.
        This is just one example of a bogus claim you people cling to. The rates of autism have not skyrocketed as you also claim. What has changed is our understanding of it and so a broader spectrum of the population now falls into the autism category.

        As for the other thing you mentioned about injecting food through a syringe into your body. That is such a ridiculous notion it hardly deserves a reply. It is hardly a good analogy for demonstrating the dangers of injections. If you think that the levels of so called “heavy metals” in vaccines pose a real health hazard at even the smallest of minuscule levels that they may appear in some current vaccines then you better stop eating, drinking, breast feeding and probably breathing as well. Our exposure to mercury for instance in our day to day diets is far higher than it is in any vaccine.
        What’s worse is these ingested heavy metals still end up accumulating in the internal organs like the brain etc. the body doesn’t just flush them out as you imply. so please supply me and the army of concerned parents out there with some real substance that we can chew the fat over.

      • Bluey – who are you people and who is us? Is it unreasonable for vaccine consumers to expect that vaccine providers prove the safety of vaccination before agreeing to take them? If the consumer has to prove the safety of vaccines, then it is no wonder that so many are reluctant to accept them!

        And I agree – it would be ridiculous to inject food into your body and not expect dire consequences. But that is exactly what I was being told – that somehow you can compare the toxicity to mercury that was ingested with mercury that was injected. Why is it ridiculous for me to make that comparison but not the other way around? Your double-standards are showing, Bluey.

    • polymumof8 says:

      Here’s a few studies, articles and reviews but there are others…

      Do aluminum vaccine adjuvants contribute to the rising prevalence of autism?

      Mechanisms of aluminum adjuvant toxicity and autoimmunity in pediatric populations.

      Influence of pediatric vaccines on amygdala growth and opioid ligand binding in rhesus macaque infants: A pilot study

      Developmental Regression and Mitochondrial Dysfunction in a Child With Autism

      Theoretical aspects of autism: causes–a review.

      Neurotoxic effects of postnatal thimerosal are mouse strain dependent.

      Is autism an autoimmune disease?

      Only the MMR vaccine and Thimerosal were studied for links to Autism and even in these studies they were unable to check for genetically susceptible subsets. There has never been a study looking at Autism rates between fully vaccinated and fully unvaccinated children so I don’t know where you are getting your information on the rates being similar in both groups, can you please supply a link?

      • Squirrel says:

        Here’s one. You can see clearly that when Japan withdrew the MMR vaccine, autism rates continued to rise. http://www.medicine.ox.ac.uk/bandolier/booth/vaccines/nommr.html

      • Joe Harris says:

        A Japanese found, that Methyl & ethyl Mercury should be considered equal in Toxicity. But since it took only have as much, to do the same damage. Ethyl
        could be twice as toxic.

        It appears, you are not faring very well. In this debate.

        How could you, the toxin you are defending is a known IQ lowering neural toxic compound. That has the ability according to the MSDS mutate Genes.

        Also the MSDS Thimerosal is accumulative in the body it targets the organs of the body in particular the brain and the lining around the brain.

        And if you are exposed to Thimerosal any future exposures may cause mercury poisoning.

        Lets not forget the MSDS warning, to never mix Aluminum with Thimerosal. The Idiots Dumb and Dumber, did it. Almost all children s vaccines contained Aluminum as a catalyst.

        Oh! lets not forget the warning for pregnant women. Pregnant women are never supposed to be exposed to Thimerosal, for it can cross the placenta and go into
        the baby and cause mild to severe mental retardation. That’s how they could remove it from vaccines, and still the Autism went up. They left out the fact they were warned at the Simpson Wood Meeting, they were told you would never want
        to go any earlier with the Thimerosal or you would most certainly get more outcomes. They said later Mercury, was not the same as prenatal Mercury.

        So the Dir. knew of this warning from the Manufacturer, and she knew also that they
        were told at Simpson wood to never go any earlier. With the Mercury.

        So why did she the Dir. of the CDC knowing all that, pressure pregnant women to get a flu vaccine? Knowing that 80 something percent, contained the very Mercury she just pulled from the children’s vaccines. They were desperate, to get it back in for they knew or strongly suspected ADD ADHD and Speech Delay an Autism could or their worse nightmare would plummet.

        The Autism community, and certain researchers asked the CDC Dir. to tell the pregnant women to ask for a preference of Thimerosal Mercury free. She the
        Dir. declined,saying it would send a message that Thimerosal was not safe.

        The Dir. of the CDC, put pregnant women s children in danger. To send the message,that Thimerosal was safe!

        Dr. Brent: Page 229: “The medical legal findings in this study, causal or not, are horrendous and therefore, it is important that the suggested epidemiological, pharmacokinetic, and animal studies be performed. If an allegation was made that a child’s neurobehavioral findings were caused by Thimerosal containing vaccines, you could readily find a junk scientist who would support the claim with “a reasonable degree of certainty”. But you will not find a scientist with any integrity who would say the reverse with the data that is available. And that is true. Dr. Brent: Page 229: “The medical legal findings in this study, causal or not, are horrendous and therefore, it is important that the suggested epidemiological, pharmacokinetic, and animal studies be performed. If an allegation was made that a child’s neurobehavioral findings were caused by Thimerosal containing vaccines, you could readily find a junk scientist who would support the claim with “a reasonable degree of certainty”. But you will not find a scientist with any integrity who would say the reverse with the data that is available. And that is true. So we are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits if they were initiated and I am concerned.”

        According to that revelation, she was involved in a cover up.

        If an allegation was made, that a child’s neurobehavioral findings were caused by Thimerosal containing vaccines, you could readily find a junk scientist who would support the claim with “a reasonable degree of certainty”. But you will not find a scientist with any integrity who would say the reverse with the data that is available. And that is true.

        So she and they knew,that the available science would bury them in court.

        This is a National disgrace. Destroying children and their parents lives, denying
        them compensation. And worse, denying them the real treatments and that keeps them medically sick and suffering.

        You could not win this, if your life depended on it. They have left a trail of world class incompetence, a mile wide. And a paper trail. that reaches the moon.

    • Joe Harris says:

      160 times what the EPA says is Liquid Hazardous Waste is safe. when injected?
      That’s 32,500 ppb, of injected Mercury. That’s 9 vaccines, with 7 that contain the Mercury. And in Hannahs case that was awarded 20 million dollars for her vaccines causing her Autism. She got 9 vaccines on one day at one point in time.

      But 30 ppb of ingested arsenic in apple juice that’s 500 times less toxic than the Mercury injected in our children. is a very big concern that must be addressed.

      Am I missing something, about the scientific method?

    • Diana says:

      You want credible evidence? Would 30+ studies linking vaccines and autism (not to speak of the many other ailments) count?


      • ccdaddy57 says:

        In 2014, the Dir. of regulatory integrity David Wright resigned from his office because he said the CDC and HHS is hopelessly corrupt! In 2015, we now know what he was talking about for a 13 yr CDC top research scientist has admitted to committing fraud for the CDC. He said ” the higher up’s wanted to do certain things, and I went along with them” CDC WB Thompson. ” I cannot believe we did what we did, but we did and it is all in there ” Meaning, that he the CDC WB had brought thousands of documents with him. Hundreds of thousands of pages, of very damning evidence proving that the CDC has been busy alright. Cooking the books. That’s 2 people with integrity, one of them just had to find it.

        CDC Whistle Blower.

  5. Gutted. says:

    Thank you for writing this. I admire your courage and resilience and your fight to tell your truth. This may not be the experience of others, but I cannot deny my own experience.
    My child (16 months) was born NORMAL. She was speaking, she was laughing, she had fantastic social skills, she slept through the night..
    I was a believer in vaccination..and vaccinated my child. When she was 13 months, she received the MMR. She became violently ill, convulsed, developed a serious bowel issue and within EIGHT WEEKS..no language, no eye contact, no smiling, no laughing, no responding to her name, no recognising our voices, complete indifference to her environment. She became violent, screams for hours on end, has constant bouts of diarrhea or constipation interchanging, stopped sleeping and instead sits in her cot rocking back and forth over and over ALL NIGHT with a verbal stim of “ahhh ahhhh ahhh ahhh ahhh ahhh ahhh”. Day in and day out. Non stop.

    Diagnosis? AUTISM.

    It’s a lonely, painful journey. What happened to our child?

    • Joe Harris says:

      My son, is almost a carbon copy of yours. The day will come, when these people will be in a court. A court, that cannot be bought. They will stand, before a just judge.

  6. Petal says:

    These are some of the ingredients in vaccinesVACCINE FILLERS & INGREDIENTS

In addition to viral/bacterial RNA/DNA in vaccines there are other fillers:

    aluminum hydroxide 

    aluminum phosphate

    ammonium sulfate 

    amphotericin B
    animal tissues: pig blood, horse blood, rabbit brain, dog kidney, monkey kidney, chick embryo, chicken egg, duck egg, calf (bovine) serum

    faetal bovine serum

    gelatin – 

    human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
    hydrolised gelatin
    monosodium glutamate (MSG)
    neomycin – 
neomycin sulfate

    phenol red indicator

    phenoxyethanol (antifreeze)

    potassium diphosphate 

    potassium monophosphate
    polymyxin B

    polysorbate 20

    polysorbate 80
    porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein

    residual MRC5 proteins

    thiomersal (mercury)


    VERO cells – a continuous line of monkey kidney cells

    washed sheep red blood cells

    My point is do not believe me look it up research it and if you are happy to vaccinate your child then that is your choice.

    We are all individuals just like their are some of us who react to a peanut whith dire consequences I think people should at least allow the possibility that some adults children and one day old babies may react to any one of these ingredients.

    Choice is is all some parents ask for and a little bit of honesty.No one i here is stopping any indivdual to vaccinate themselves or their children.

    People have to understand their is an Vaccine Injury system for a reason because people mainly children do have reactions to vaccines and that is why this in place.So if our government believes that this is possible why can’t may of you who are so angry and some very disrespectful in our decision to not vaccinate or not continue to vaccinate for many reasons.

    I would never ever tell anyone again about my feelings about vaccinations as the anger and often mob like behaviour that seems to be coming from the pro vaccine group is often quite intimitating and scary.

    These have been my experiences and it is sad that it has come to that.

    My child with Autism was definitely brought on by the vaccines I live with that guilt every single day that I trusted someone else with my child without me questioning the safety. I believe the doctors who preach safety should sign an agreement stating the safety of these vaccines not just words but putting their name to it and if they are so safe they would not have a problem guaranteeing that no child will be affected be it seizure or ASD.

    Their have been people who work with medical profession know most who encourage us to vaccinate do not vaccinate their own family.

    Maybe some of you pro vaccinators should ask why that is??????

  7. joe says:

    Katie B is not telling the truth, vaccines have not been ck’ed for synergistic

    In fact all this, is half truths and bald face lies and propaganda;

    Where these doses tested for each different age and weight?
    You said, Yes.

    In a way you are correct in fact at the Simpson wood meeting
    where the FDA CDC AAP and the WHO met after realizing they had
    indeed Mercury poisoned a generation of American children.

    They said Mercury at 6 mos. is not the same as Mercury at 4 mos. and
    it most certainly not the same as prenatal Mercury.

    They concluded the earlier you go with the preservative used in almost
    all children s vaccines the Thimerosal the more outcomes you would get.

    Outcomes meaning ADD ADHD Speech Delay and Autism

    Did they stop the birth dose NO! in fact knowing that info. the earlier the
    more damage. They decided to push it into the fetus, by flu injections in
    pregnant women. Two of them, the regular flu shot and the H1N1 both
    containing full strength 25 micro grams each of the Mercury.

    What pushed them to this secrete meeting, was a researchers work on the
    preservative Thimerosal.

    Thomas Verstreaten work revealed “if a child get 62.5 micrograms by 3 mos.
    that child has a 2. 48 times risk of receiving ADD ADHD Speech Delay or
    Autism. Now add 50 micro grams to the mix before the baby is born.

    What is the risk at 112.5 micro grams by three months? and keep the prenatal
    and the birth dose is already doing the dirty little damage in our children’s brains

    All that really concerns me, considering on the manufacturers safety data
    sheet MSDS

    ( what the manufacturer says is the characteristics of their product)

    It states, concerning pregnant women. pregnant women are never supposed
    to be exposed to Thimerosal, for it can cross the placenta and go into the baby
    and cause Mild tho Severe Mental retardation.

    Were they tested in combination for their synergistic and toxic effects?
    You said ,Yes. That’s not true at all.

    At that meeting, they were also discussing that we do not know the synergistic
    effect of the Mercury and the Aluminum.

    That also concerns me that they were saying that, when in a document about Lilly the patent holder of Thimerosal the 50% mercury by weight product being used in children’s vaccines.

    There was proof that the FDA was being warned about the dangerous effects of
    the Thimerosal that was Mercury and the Aluminum being used as a catalyst.
    The 2 salts being mixed. The potential, for the toxicity rate of the Mercury to climb as high as 10 times when mixed with Aluminum.

    It’s a well known fact you cannot bring Mercury on a plane, because the Aluminum will be destroyed. Literally, eating through the skin of planes.

    A pilot told me that the mercury causes the Aluminum to Oxidize, Hey that’s what they are saying is happening to out chiildren. They are suffering from Oxidative stress.

    Also, Aluminum causes the Blood Brain Barrier to be more porous

    Go to youtube and type in this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7Ilxsu-JlY

    you will be shocked. If this effect, is happening in our children’s brains , no wonder
    why our children are so sick now days.

    I will address the other misinformation later. .

    Were they tested to find out how long they would remain in the system before being excreted or whether or not there would be some people who are incapable of excreting them and simply stored them in their body’s fatty tissue including in brain tissue and what the effects of that are?

  8. Vicky says:

    We all want to do what we think is best for our children whether that is to vaccinate them or not. It is so sad that if we choose not to vaccinate our children we are judged by others. I vaccinated my twins & even had a fluvax while pregnant with them & they both ended up severely autistic & developmentally delayed – no matter what anyone says noone can prove to me vaccinations haven’t damaged my children.

  9. jane says:

    Peter Bowditch…what a vile, violent, angry and malicious man! Mia Freedman…you should really take a good long hard look at yourself and your morals for promoting this morons vile dribble! Seriously…it’s very very sad indeed. But then again…she doesn’t want to become a target of such abominable abuse.

    Jennifer…I couldn’t agree more…
    “Mia Freedman is merely a puppet in this whole exercise. She just doesn’t know it yet. She will not stand up against this bullying because doing so will incur the wraith of the Two Peters and she knows how nasty they can be to those who have a differing opinion.”

    Freedom of choice people! NON-VIOLENT FREEDOM OF CHOICE!

    Amen XX

  10. Shane says:

    “OK Katie – if the dose makes the poison, how was the safe dose of say aluminium, mercury, formaldehyde, 2-phenoxyethanol, etc. etc. etc determined. Where these doses tested for each different age and weight?”

    Not sure about some of the ingredients doses BUT.

    1. Formaldehyde – sounds scary but your body makes more than an OUNCE of formaldehyde everyday as a product of normal metabolism.

    2.Mercury In 1996, the US Environmental Protection Agency set a new guideline for methyl mercury in the diet: 0.1 micrograms of mercury per kilogram of body weight PER DAY (0.1 g/kg/day). This is 4.7 times as strict as the World Health Organisation’s standard of 0.47 g/kg/day. And the biggest exposure is from eating fish not the limited microdoses from a vaccination.

    3. The average adult these days has between 50-150Mg of accumulated Al in their bodies. Again nothing like the aluminum compounds contained in adjuvents – remember its not pure Al.

    So 10 minutes looking answered most of those questions easily and reliably, something anyone here could have done. But of course nobody wants rational answers do they? I am sure most of the people here are far more comfortable fighting the persecution big pharma etc – while kids die of pertussis and measles.

    • joe says:

      From what we now know shane is that the vaccines them selves are causing the very increases in measles and pertussis.

      In fact 81% of the cases of pertussis being found. the children had already vaccinated,

      The crap don’t work, it does make it’s own epidemics. And kill and mams children..

      • Fiona owens says:

        Yes the new vaccine is not as effective, thanks to groups like this complaining about the old one. But it does reduce the severity of the disease

    • Joe Harris says:

      You are full of crap,the birth dose of Hep-b alone had thousands of ppb of this Mercury. That the NIH study by Dr. Burbacher, revealed this Vaccineal Mercury has the ability to cross the BBB easier than the Fish Merciury.

      When I am through comparing this recently learned health concern, to a practice involving a single Toxin that’s 500 times more Toxic than Arsenic ( that’s! injected, not ! ingested as Arsenic in apple juice was)

      And unlike, the amount of 30 ppb found in Arsenic. This Toxin, has thousands of ppb. That’s, from just one Hep-vaccine. When I am through, you are going to know what has caused 1 in 6 US.children to have a neurological learning disability. And you will finally learn, why 1 in 50 children with 1 in 31 being boys now have Autism.

      And a little extra surprise, why so many US. children have to wear glasses. Here’s a hint, Mercury after it effects the speech. It destroys the vision.

      On the Manufacturers Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) of Thimerosal was several warnings of Toxicity and worse. Also,keep in mind that Injected mercury by passes the body’s filtering organs. And this AAP approved injected Mercury, was injected into children within hours of the first breath the newborn takes. And it was not!30 ppb it was in the thousands to 10’s of Thousands of ppb that was carelessly injected into newborns and toddlers.

      Thimerosal, was and still is used As a preservative in our children s vaccines and in 80 % of all flu shots.

      These warnings below are on the MSDS (Manufacturers Safety Data Sheet)

      “if you are exposed to Thimerosal, any future exposures to Mercury may cause Mercury poisoning” That is a given, these children will get many more shots through their life. And most, contained Thimerosal. Add the mothers body burden of Mercury, to coal powered plants with the [warnings from the Manufacturer] that exposure to this man made Mercury
      can make you susceptible to Mercury Poisoning. (Damage) And you get the reason, why so many children now have ADD ADHD Speech Delay and Autism.

      On the current vaccine schedule, the children don’t get 1 vaccine. In fact some children, got as many as 9 vaccines at once. With as many as 7 that contained the mercury.

      Multiple vaccines containing Mercury, have never been studied for safety. Only in singles.

      And even in single vaccines, they were way over what the EPA considers Liquid Hazardous Waste of 200 ppb for Mercury. As you read in the beginning of this post, just one vaccine like the example given above held thousands of ppb.

      And those thousands of ppb, were injected into baby’s within hours of the first breath of God given life.

      You really want to defend this absolute stupidity???? Is it for a Pharma paycheck????

      You might say they,set the stage for the perfect storm for Neurological Damage in our most precious resource.

  11. Fiona owens says:

    As a person who provides respite care for many wonderful children on the autism spectrum I ( and the families I work for ) find the term “vaccine damaged” insulting and discriminating. These are not defective children, they are born the way they are. I find all the alternative “cures” disruptive to these lovely children’s lives. The reason that there seems to be more children in the spectrum is because the spectrum has been widened to allow more families funding so they have access to speech, occupational and physical therapy as well as respite care.
    Before condem me as a shill for big pharma and delete my comment. I get paid a pittance. ( I live in shared accomadation that cost’s me half my $600 dollar a week wage) i don’t get endorsements from anyone. And I do this job for the children only to honor my brother who was born with a disability ( who was born that way)
    I thank you for giving me the oppertunity to share my thoughts.

    • Fiona owens says:

      Ooops seriously upgraded my wage there that’s $ 600 a fortnight

    • joe says:

      fiona you are out of freaken your tree, and spreading misinformation.

      My son screams in pain, cannot speak after his last vaccines at 27 months.

      Injection site lump hard and as big as a mans fist and extremely hot to the touch
      the next day 3 seizures and my NT child was replaced by Autism shell of a child with a bowel disorder from hell.

      Speaking before 7 vaccines containing the most dangerous crap toxins and heavy metals.

      My son was born normal, and most parents will say the same.

      The MMR is destroying the immunity of our children, the Measles is in bedding itself in our children’s lower bowel and causing inflammation that causes the a
      child to not be able to fart less alone poop, The gas pains are excruciating and
      if it were not for Gas X he would not be able to cope with life.

      He has rammed walls at our house when in pain, and took out whole walls of
      sheet rock.

      But you would just say, that he just has another way of thinking.

      • Fiona owens says:

        I’m very familiar with the various health issues, and Behaviours children on the spectrum experience. How the various stimuli they encounter on a daily basis can be so overwhelming to them. But I also understand how you want to blame someone for what your child goes through. But autism is a genetic disorder and can not be caught. And the time parents like you spend blaming “big pharma” could be better spent finding a better diet, and therapy for your child. I have also spent lots of time with adults with autism and collectively they resent being called damaged.
        Also having spent lots of time with the families of the children I care for ( several of whom did not vaccinate) the anecdotal anti vaccers present does not hold water. Not when several children are all autistic but one was not vaccinated, or twins one with and one without.

      • Squirrel says:

        Joe, autism is present at birth but autistic behaviours are not often apparent until around 2 years of age, about the time of vaccines, so parents sometimes make a causal connection but this connection is erroneous. We have over 14 years of research worldwide with over 14,700,000.00 participants that shows that there is no link between autism and vaccines. In fact when Japan withdrew the MMR vaccine, autism rates continued to rise. Vaccines don’t even contain mercury, and in any cause the symptoms of damage from mercury poisoning are not the same as symptoms of autism. I know you are looking for a cause but all the evidence points towards genetics. So in no way is it your fault as a parent.

      • Joe Harris says:

        Is the Denmark study one of those you are citing. Let me help you out about this one research the AAP CDC and the FDA touts even today.

        The researcher Poul Thorsen from Denmark, that gave them the flawed research proving the Mercury Based preservative used in children’s vaccines and the MMR was safe. Has been indicted,in the US. on thirteen counts of wire fraud and nine counts of money laundering.

        Don’t believe me, look it up! His name is Poul Thorsen, his indictment came from Atlanta GA. home of the CDC. He Poul was a Danish researcher from Denmark,
        that the CDC hand picked to give them the fraud that they needed to to cover up the fact they had poisoned. This Nations, most precious resource.

        In fact, the CDC put Poul in the business of turning out fake epidemiological studies.

        How many? depends on who you ask, at the Congressional hearing on Autism A Florida Congressman said ” let’s talk about that scumbag Poul Thorsen ”
        He said that, to a CDC spokesperson. She said to the Congressman that Poul only was involved in 2 studies. And in those two studies, he had very limited involvement.

        The Congressman asked an hour later “how many studies did you say??”
        She replied 2 the Congressman said; ” No! try 22 studies.

        The CDC is in an FOIA email saying “the IOM meeting is in weeks, and we have searched frantically and cannot find anything here” (meaning in the US.) we are going to have to go elsewhere and get us a study”

        They contacted Poul Thorsen from Denmark and told him “we are only interested in what will exonerate the CDC and Vaccines” Then they hand him (not anybody else)
        just him! 11 million dollar contract to start NANEA to began pouring out on sided fake epidemiology studies.

        He Poul they hand picked gave them everything they desired, proof putting a known
        developmental neural toxin in a child was not only safe. A little was actually good for the developing brain?????????

        Poul allegedly stole almost 2 million dollars of the CDC’s Autism vaccine research
        dollars. The indictment states “he worked with others known, and unknown by this
        Grand jury”

        Here is what Poul did with the money the CDC gave him for committing the fraud they ask for.

        1 car and a very expensive SUV

        1 Harley Davidson Motorcycle

        1 house next to the CDC, whom he allegedly stole from.

        And they he Poul wired himself almost 1 million dollars in cold blood stained cash.

        The CDC has paid Poul, for 18 studies since he was indicted. Blood soaked, Hush Money. Keeping him out of the US. where he could bring them down.

        They AAP CDC FDA NIH have no remorse, for their part in the suffering of these children. None!!!!

      • I couldn’t agree with you more Joe. To those people and to people like the Australian Skeptics and Stop the AVN, our children are the acceptable casualties of a policy that knows it will kill and maim a percentage of people in order to hopefully protect others. By its very nature, that policy is unethical and immoral. And the people who support it are good representations of what the results are of such thinking.

      • Joe Harris says:

        They are vaccinating for profit, not to save a child from disease. It’s profit driven
        When the CDC and the FDA was caught trying to remove vaccine safety off the shores of the US. They stated, the reason to move vaccine safety was.

        To get it away from Congressional subpoenas, and the prying eyes of the public.

        That is one sick bunch puppy’s,that sees things this way. Oh! before I forget,
        they were getting paid by the CDC FDA and the organization they were creating of the shores of the US. It’s called double dipping.

    • punter says:

      Fiona, I realise that expecting any sort of coherence or logic is a very long shot but can I just ask?

      If it is “insulting and discriminating” to worry about children who can’t talk at 7 and regularly smear faeces on the wall or who are in constant pain was it also “insulting and discriminating” for scientists in the 1950s to try and do anything about those crippled with poliomyelitis?

      Believe me, it is far less concerning that people like you might be receiving money from pharmaceutical companies than it is that you are allowed to vote.

    • Rachel says:

      To the people who want to reply to Fiona’s comment – please be respectful. There is no need for insults, like those above me have resorted to. I know this is a passionate issue for you, but insulting others is uncalled for. Respect on both sides of the debate please.

      • Punter says:

        Fiona apparently believes that it is better for people to live a life of chronic pain with no chance of a normal life and it is “insulting” to her that some people might want to fix or prevent that. So you are right. There is no need for me to add anything. She damns herself.

      • polymumof8 says:


        There was a study that came out in 2011 about Autism in twins and it stated that genetics may account for only 38% of the cases and 58% for shared environment, so while there has got to be a genetic side to it, it is not the only side.


    • Jennifer Power says:

      Fiona, I wonder have you heard about the 6 years and more than a billion dollars spent by the IACC (Interagency Autism Coordinating Committee) in the USA trying to find a genetic (born with it) link to autism? Guess what they found. NOTHING. Not one link. Meanwhile, the rate of ASD diagnosis has risen by 6,000% on their watch. Please, read before you write.

      • Kellie says:

        Adding to that Jennifer in the majority of studies they have done trying to find the cause of autism, they often come out and state there are “environmental triggers.” Funny that they don’t know what the environmental triggers are. In other posts I have just read, there are lots of comments about there being a lot more toxins in fish, our air and environment compared to what are in the vaccines. The point I think a number of people are missing is that the body is able to deal appropriately with the toxins when they are ingested, breathed in etc. The immune system has everything it needs to heal itself in this way. When you inject synthetics into the bloodstream, it doesn’t allow the body and the immune system the same chance. We are giving vaccinations to newborn bubs and continue on with a very large amount in their first few years of life, while the immune system still isn’t developed. I compare this to playing russian roulette. If the child has suspetibilities and a genetic predispostion, then bang. I am not against vaccination, they have saved countless amounts of people BUT I am against the one size fits all approach. The medical institution should be spending more money on coming up with a simple test to ensure that people with underlying suseptibilities or mitochondrial dysfunction are identified and then given the opportunity to wait until their immune system is more developed or receive a variation to the schedule ie one vaccination at a time as opposed to the triple vax. At the end of the day we all want the best for our children no matter what side of the debate we are on.

      • Squirrel says:

        Jennifer, diagnosis rates are not the same thing as actual incidence rates. Diagnosis is on the increase in the US due to better awareness and the need for a dx to access funding. The goalposts are about to change again with the release of the next DSM (V).

    • Joe Harris says:

      Are you out of your freaking mind! we are nursing our own child whose MMR damaged. So badly, he screams in pain like someone is burning him with a hot poker or skinning him alive. So you watch kids on the spectrum, are any very severe having a bowel disorder that causes such pain he has broken his ankles twice. Twisting them trying to stop the pain, the only thing that helped was the Gas X we buy boxes and boxes of them. But recently he is so bad he had to be sedated to get him to the Hospital in an ambulance. where the Idiots DX him with colic, he’s beating the walls and his hands to pieces. Because he has colic.

      Again are you out of your freaking mind? Dr. Wake field was right, these kids have inflammatory bowel disease. And it’s now, showing up at the Molecular
      level. With a new Machine, able to detect the bowel disorder at the Molecular level.

      Many will burn in hell, for allowing little children to suffer for pride sake. And to not be sued.

  12. Sarah says:

    My first-born was fully vaccinated. I even got the flu shot when I was pregnant and I thought I should give it to my son too (18 months) – just to be safe. He regressed into autism. After lots and lots of reading, I believe for us it is better not to continue vaccinations. My husband agrees. He actually used to be a member of the Skeptics Society. We were forced to really open our minds and not just accept what mainstream media/doctors say in the search for answers and help. I am so glad we did because there have been lots of things that have undoubtedly helped our son which mainstream doesn’t accept (yet), for example diet.
    Anyway, I was reading New Scientist, 21 July 2012. p. 17. “Vaccines breed deadly new viruses”. Uni of Melbourne has just found “evidence that a lethal virus has developed from vaccines that were meant to protect it.” Clearly there needs to be plenty more research into vaccines. There are too many unanswered questions. As I said, I am not a scientist, but a loving parent trying to do everything I can to help my kid with Verbal Behavior ABA, biomedical interventions, endless patience and love. I want answers – until someone out there can tell me what causes autism, I will keep looking for answers. Vaccinations should be something we can debate – without vilification.
    Thanks to the author for raising this really important issue.

    • Gunnar says:

      Actually, this recombined virus story has been circulating with the wrong interpretations of risk to humans. The two vaccines involved that target the same virus found in chickens were developed in quite separately in Australia and Europe. What happened was that, in the attenuation (weakening) process, different parts of the same viral genome were inactivated when developing the vaccines. Yes, poor regulation of animal vaccinations created was sort of a “perfect storm”… These vaccines were never intended to be used together but in this extremely rare scenarioi, when they were, the two genomes recombined to create a virus – That’s what viruses do when they meet up in the same intracellular laboratory in chicken at very the same time! Just the timing of vaccinations could have prevented this. This has little relevence to human vaccination. The principal human use vaccines using live attenuated viruses (LAV) are MMR, Chicken Pox and Polio. Flumist doesn’t use LAVs. Measles, Mumps, Rubella and Chicken Pox vaccines all only have ONE LAV so recombination is not possible. Polio vaccines do use 3 LAVs but statistically, the risk of recombination is projected to be about 1 in 750,000 and if the patient has ever had a polio vaccination before, residual immunity is present so is a rarely a concern.

  13. judi says:

    Thank you for your well-written article.

    I think Bowditch is doing us all a favour with his abusive and distasteful behaviour. His crudeness and bullying will make people sit up and examine our reasons for not vaccinating more carefully.

  14. Kellie says:

    I have experienced discrimation at a city public hospital by their staff due to my decision not to vaccinate my third child after seeing what vaccination had done to my first born. I choose not to tell anyone about the status of my unvaccinated child. In fact, I sometimes am even fearful of divulging this. So sad and so wrong but unfortunately it is a sign of the times.

  15. katie B says:

    Anonymous says: “When did raising your child with love, respect, a healthy diet, plenty of fresh air, sunshine and exercise, while limiting their exposure to toxins become a crime?”
    The answer to this rhetorical question is – it has never been a crime, and never will be a crime to bring one’s child up with love, respect, etc etc. I don’t even know why Anonymous has mentioned it. Unless s/he thinks that there are loads of toxins in vaccines, in which case s/he is wrong. There are far more toxins in: A tuna sandwich, soy baby formula, potting mix, garden dirt, snakes, spiders, rusty nails, ticks, rhubarb, measles, and many many many everyday substances which any normal baby or toddler will encounter at some stage or another. . Whether it’s delivered by eating, or injection, or a scratch or bite – that is how a child’s immune system gets stronger.
    By all means limit your child’s exposure to toxins – but please realise that if they get, say, measles, the child is exposed to thousands and thousands more toxins than from a vaccine. Likewise with tetanus, hib, etc etc. The toxins which kids are exposed to from disease are many, many times higher than any from vaccines.

    • Katie, quite honestly, your comment is so full of errors, it’s hard to know where to begin. If you think that vaccines don’t contain toxins, do yourself a favour and read a few package inserts.

      And the only way a child can be exposed to toxins through contracting measles is if you consider viruses to be toxins. If you do, then our body is producing toxins because our bodies make viruses 24 / 7.

      Please, anyone is capable of responding in a respectful manner and I appreciate that you are always respectful on this issue – one of very few – but you need to become better informed about what a toxin is and what a virus is and the difference between the two. I highly recommend that you take the time to read the book, Fear of the Invisible by Janine Roberts. If your local library doesn’t have it, we do carry it in our web shop. It will give you a very good background on what viruses are and why we are afraid of the wrong thing.

      • katie B says:

        Thanks for your reply. I never said that vaccines don’t contain toxins, I said that babies and children encounter toxins daily in far higher amounts than what is in vaccines.
        I am also aware that measles is a virus, however the common complications of measles – ear infection, diarrhoea, eye infections, and layngitis all carry a large toxic load. The less common complications, meningitis, pneumonia, encephalitis etc can also be very toxic.
        I have a question – what do you consider a toxin when it comes to illness? A bacteria? Infection? Fever? I am genuinely interested.

      • Katie – here is what you said – “Unless s/he thinks that there are loads of toxins in vaccines, in which case s/he is wrong. ” So please re-read your post.

        And babies might encounter more viruses and bacteria in a day – but I don’t really think they would encounter more toxins unless their parents are totally unaware of what is going on around their baby which would be sad.

        And the effects of measles are not a ‘toxic load’. Toxic loads are calculations of total number of toxins and their effects on an organism. There is a viral load from measles – but not a toxic load. You are mixing the two up – toxins and viruses are different. Toxins are always toxic – viruses are most often not. If viruses were toxic, we would all be dead.

        I consider illness to most often be the result of toxicity. That’s why – were I to have a nasal or throat swab done right now – there would most likely be millions of pathogenic viruses and bacteria found but I am not sick. If I were to allow my immune system to be suppressed however, those viruses and bacteria would have an opportunity (thus the phrase opportunistic infection) to cause disease. It isn’t the virus or bacteria that is responsible for illness in my opinion – it is the immune status of the organism.

      • katie B says:

        Sorry to be pedantic – but I said “if s/he thinks there are loads of toxins in vaccines, s/he is wrong.” I never said there were NO toxins, I said that there are not loads of toxins in vaccines. Have you ever heard of the expression “the dose makes the poison”? That means that a substance is only toxic at certain levels. Eg: mercury (or quicksilver) as used in homeopathic medicines is not toxic. Mercury in some species of large fish is very high and can be toxic if you eat lots and lots of it. (And, please, I am not talking here about thimerosal or ethylmercury). Formaldehyde is present in every cell in the human body, with concentrations of approx 2.5 parts per million (ppm) in the blood. The amount of formaldehyde a child is exposed to from vaccines probably only dilutes what is already in the body!!! And…I am talking about the toxic effects caused by bacterial and viral illnesses. If a child gets measles (caused by a virus), they may very well develop infected ears or other infections – thus hitting their immune system with bacterial toxins.Quote: “Toxigenesis, or the ability to produce toxins, is an underlying mechanism by which many bacterial pathogens produce disease. At a chemical level, there are two main types of bacterial toxins, lipopolysaccharides, which are associated with the cell wall of Gram-negative bacteria, and proteins, which are released from bacterial cells and may act at tissue sites removed from the site of bacterial growth. The cell-associated toxins are referred to as endotoxins and the extracellular diffusible toxins are referred to as exotoxins.”

      • OK Katie – if the dose makes the poison, how was the safe dose of say aluminium, mercury, formaldehyde, 2-phenoxyethanol, etc. etc. etc determined. Where these doses tested for each different age and weight? Were they tested in combination for their synergistic and toxic effects? Were they tested to find out how long they would remain in the system before being excreted or whether or not there would be some people who are incapable of excreting them and simply stored them in their body’s fatty tissue including in brain tissue and what the effects of that are?

        Can you answer those questions? If not, then don’t say that the dose makes the poison because we haven’t got a clue what comprises a safe dose of those ingredients in anyone – child or adult.

        As for your trying to reason out how being infected with measles can induce bacteremia…well, it is unscientific and incorrect. Yes, there are toxin-mediated bacteria – but being infected with measles doesn’t give you a concurrent infection with one of those and I do think you’re drawing a very long bow indeed. Also, if getting a viral infection makes you more susceptible to opportunistic infection with bacteria and viruses which might be present at the time of infection, the same goes for opportunistic infection at the time of vaccination and for up to 90 days afterwards when a child or adult can have a suppressed immune system.

      • katie B says:

        To answer your questions:
        OK Katie – if the dose makes the poison, how was the safe dose of say aluminium, mercury, formaldehyde, 2-phenoxyethanol, etc. etc. etc determined.
        They are determined scientifically, through testing.

        Where these doses tested for each different age and weight?
        Were they tested in combination for their synergistic and toxic effects?
        Were they tested to find out how long they would remain in the system before being excreted or whether or not there would be some people who are incapable of excreting them and simply stored them in their body’s fatty tissue including in brain tissue and what the effects of that are?

      • katie B says:

        And to reply to your later comments: “As for your trying to reason out how being infected with measles can induce bacteremia…well, it is unscientific and incorrect. Yes, there are toxin-mediated bacteria – but being infected with measles doesn’t give you a concurrent infection with one of those and I do think you’re drawing a very long bow indeed.” Here are the conclusions from one study:
        “Patients with measles who require intensive care have a high risk for death or long-term complications, even when treated in a modern pediatric intensive care unit. (snip) Secondary bacteremia was an early and prominent complication, and antibiotic treatment should be instituted early in patients with measles requiring intensive care.”

        I am not drawing a long bow. I am saying that measles could expose a child to thousands of times more toxins than the vaccine ever could.

        Plus – you DO mean Bacteremia as in an infection of the blood, or sepsis?

    • punter says:

      “Whether it’s delivered by eating, or injection, or a scratch or bite – that is how a child’s immune system gets stronger.”

      Do you really believe that the injection of something is the same as eating it? If I swallow a few bits of dirt (or even a lot of bits) I won’t be in the slightest harmed. But a tiny bit of dirt in an open wound and it will most likely become extremely painful and potentially cause great harm. How on earth anybody could suggest that the injection of material is the equivalent of swallowing it is beyond me.

      And if eating something is exactly the same as injecting it why don’t we give all vaccines orally then? At the very least it would save the pain of a pinprick.

      As for spider bites – are you seriously saying that all spider bites are harmless?

      I realise I am bias but it really looks to me like you are forced to clutch at any straw you can find – no matter how brittle it looks.

      • katie B says:

        punter, you’ve misunderstood the point I was trying to make.
        I am explaining that children naturally encounter hundreds of thousands of antigens and toxins everyday – it’s how the immune system learns to cope, and develop immunity against all sorts of things. Some antigens are encountered by eating them, other by injection – a scratch, bite or needle. You could get very sick from swallowing some dirt – or not. You could get an infected wound from getting dirt into a scratch – or not.
        There is ongoing research into making more immunisations oral, in the meantime, the tiny prick of a needle is not a lot to put up with.
        As for spider bites – I actually earlier said that some can contain large amounts of toxins!!!
        Please avoid the personal insults. thanks.

      • punter says:

        Let me remind you that YOU are the one who picked a fight with us on this issue. If you think that me saying that you are clutching at straws constitutes a vicious personal attack then perhaps you should be questioning whether or not you have a skin that is thick enough for you to be continuing.

        And I know exactly what you said. But it didn’t have a point unless you wanted to claim that injections and swallowing stuff were equivalent. Therein lies the problem with your argument. They are not. Since when have humans in evolutionary history ever had to cope with injections of substances? The only times is spider and snake bites – and these are rarely considered harmless. So we haven’t evolved to cope with them. We can tolerate (small) quantities of lots of ‘toxins’ that we swallow because otherwise we would never have lasted this long. But in evolutionary terms our ability to withstand injections has never been required. So comparing one to the other is extremely deceitful.

        One of the favourite canards of the vaccine defenders is to say there is more mercury in a can of tuna fish than in any childhood vaccine. Therefore, apparently, childhood vaccines must be safe.

        So let’s have a challenge shall we: Anybody who believes that vaccines are safe can inject themselves with an entire can of tuna. I will reciprocate by swallowing an entire can myself.

      • punter says:

        Oh, and I would just like to say. Not only am I so brave as being prepared to eat an entire can of tuna but I am also so generous that I will actually pay for both cans myself.

        Now I am sure there is absolutely no reason for vaccine defenders to demur from this. Well, apart from the fact that they all, deep down, know that they are wrong.

    • Joe Harris says:

      You are full of bull, you don’t inject a tuna sandwich. Just Thimerosal, at the rate of 160 times what the EPA considers Liquid Hazardous Waste for Mercury. 200 ppb what the EPA considers Liquid Hazardous Waste. When you inject, you by pass the bodies filtering organs. When you do your own research, on the safety of vaccines. You find there is none, and worse. Dumb and Dumber, are running the vaccine program. And guess what, they have no! conscience integrity or moral compass. None!

      One of the CDC Dir.’s very high up, was caught having sex with her boy friend and his six yr’s old son. When they busted her, they found in her house pictures of her having sex with her animals (pets) She was not fired from the CDC, they said that behavior has nothing to do with her doing her job!

      Lindsey was the deputy director for the Laboratory Science Policy and Practice Program Office at the CDC. Prior to that, she was the senior health scientist in the Office of Public Health Preparedness and Response, which oversaw the allocation process for $1.5 billion in terrorism preparedness.

      She was bonded out for 20 thousand dollars, to this day I think she has not had to appear for trial???????

      My point is, if they have so little respect for children that they will molest them.
      Poisoning is a piece of cake. After all,I assure you that would be hard pressed to say someone who would molest a 6 yr old has any integrity or a conscience.

      When you get measles naturally it builds the immune system, when you inject them they embed them selves into the child’s lower bowel causing much pain and suffering.

  16. Jennifer says:

    Well-thoughtout and eloquently written. Thank you.

    Do not be afraid of the Two Peters and their friends. They are nasty because they are afraid we are correct. They understand that it is illogical to be fearful of the un-vaccinated – yet they cannot help themselves because they have made the choice to believe in vaccination and they will not back away from that, no matter how sick they and their loved ones become. So they turn to the only thing that gives them satisfaction : bullying. They can hide behind (numerous) identities online where they are not accountable for their bullying behaviour.

    It is unfortunate that people like Mia Freedman and other celebrity “writers” are unable to see these bullies for what they are, but the truth is that Mia Freedman is merely a puppet in this whole exercise. She just doesn’t know it yet. She will not stand up against this bullying because doing so will incur the wraith of the Two Peters and she knows how nasty they can be to those who have a differing opinion.

    But, time, and the internet, is on our side. The parents of vaccine-injured children are spreading the word because they know the truth. People are educating themselves and questioning the dogma that their doctors spout. Pieces like this one are written and made available online.

    Thank you again for writing this and thank you to Meryl Dorey and The AVN for standing up for our right to choose NOT to vaccinate!

  17. What a balanced and compassionate blog post – a big thank you to the author (whoever you are!)

    My work places me in contact with many vaccine-injured children – at least that is what their parents say happened and when I listen to the facts it is hard to think otherwise. Many of these parents have chosen not to vaccinate further and some try to warn others so they may be spared the heartache and suffering their family experiences. They have become the “antivaxxers”.

    So who are these antivaxxers? Most of them are everyday people who tried to do the right thing for their child and for society by vaccinating their little bundle when and as told. They still try to do the right thing – nothing different there – but now do it by warning of what happened to them, and the unreported dangers of vaccines.

    How long will we continue to vilify and shoot the messengers? Most antivaxxers were once vaccinators. They have literally experienced both sides of the debate and now have something important to say. To act as if they are pests to be exterminated, which is the impression that is increasingly generated, when they have paid the price for society’s demands is very disturbing and oh so wrong.

    • You make such an important point, Fran. Every single person I know who has stopped vaccinating – without exception – was in favour of vaccines. Either something happened to someone close to them as a result of a vaccine reaction or they started to research the subject off their own bat through simply wanting to be better informed about health issues (which makes good sense and which everyone should do). Either way, they didn’t just stop vaccinating because the moon was full or they ‘had a feeling’…they made a legal choice through information. This should be encouraged and the people should be applauded – not bullied.

  18. sarah says:

    We are sliding down a very slippery slope 😦 All we can do is keep fighting for our right to choose

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